Comments on: Is Schizophrenia Really a Brain Disease? /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/ Health and Science Blog Covering Brain Topics Sat, 29 Dec 2018 04:00:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.3 By: The Myth of Schizophrenia as a Progressive Brain Disease /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-781617 Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:46:08 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-781617 […] […]

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By: nehopsa /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-756378 Tue, 24 Sep 2013 00:38:55 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-756378 …it is late at night and I probably should not try to but…

…a vulture? really? Michelle Marie where is your culture?

I wonder.

In fact I feel exactly the opposite: the chemical psychiatry just puts shit in your brain. I mean that…to be on par with your level of responding. And, as for the repeated relapses…that is exactly the quality of trying to get off the addictive medication. Once they put you on – my French – shit – you just cannot discontinue it the next day. That is a big no, no, no. And of course, when you go the “no compliance route” you may not even have been made aware of the fact how extremely dangerous it is: once you are on those drugs it is a tedious and long proces of getting off, “tapering” the medication, with multiple points when you easily slip. As a matter of fact, there are drugs that CAUSE psychosis when you discontinue them (“reactive witdrawal psychosis”)as even the manufacturers were made to acknowledge after decades of ill experience paid for by the pain and blood of the mental patients.

You cannot get off without support and without addressing the conditions around your life that put you in the psychotic state in the first place. To borrow the metaphor Paris Williams uses in his book: it is as if you tried to get out of the chrysalis, not a larva any longer…and not a butterfly yet. Of course you do need to survive on some sort of “stabilizer” since you would not even “hold together” if you follow this analogy, a chrysalis forcefully woken up before the process could run its course.

Paris Williams is not the first author who suggests a person going through the existential crisis (which is what psychotic process is about) needs to be protected. If you read Lila by Robert Pirsig you find towards the end a similar idea. (Pirsig also “lost his mind” but he was without the benefit of following decades of the “recovery research”; he writes from the inside.)

You may have opted for a more blunted way of being …and not facing what it is that started you on your psychosis…fine enough as it looks like it works for you. Just don’t call Paris Williams a “vulture” I beg. They are elsewhere: preying on endless misery of people who were forced to lose their lives to powerful wested interests – they are them, the vultures. You ask who makes most profit (and you YOU pay – as you now cannot otherwise).

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By: Paris Williams, PhD /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-749715 Thu, 29 Aug 2013 06:21:02 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-749715 Hi Laura,
Thanks for sharing a little bit about your story, and I personally can relate to the longing you feel for some basic ease and joy in your life. According to my own research (and personal experience), one of the most helpful factors in recovery is dropping the “disease model” including words such as “cure,” while not denying the reality that you’re suffering with very real and difficult psychological experiences. The research shows again and again (including the latest trial by Wunderlink published in the Journal of the American Medical Association a few months ago) that those who use a drug minimization and reduction method (eventually tapering entirely off if possible) have the highest recovery rates. What’s also important is finding people who will really listen to you and see you not as someone with a brain disease but as someone suffering with very human dilemmas (only perhaps more intensely than the average person). I recommend looking at the RESOURCE pages on my website and trying to locate either a peer group or professional who doesn’t cling to the “disease model.” I also recommend THIS ARTICLE and consider how congruent your own life is with regard to the recovery factors mentioned in this article. You can also find a like-minded community at THIS website.
Best wishes in your journey,
Paris

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By: Laura Blue Bird /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-731674 Thu, 15 Aug 2013 19:22:52 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-731674 Dear Doctor Williams,
I am Laura Blue Bird. I am 30 years old. I live in Minneapolis. I am Lakota and white. I have believed and was told several years now that I am stuck taking my medication forever and that I have paranoid schizophrenia which I was labeled with. I have always thought there was a cure and that I could live my life happily and healthier than I am currently living it now. Without having to take medication. I’ve been told that this is a degenerative disease of the brain which I will die with. I was hopeful before I got sick that I could have made something with my life. That I was able to be successful and support myself and a family. But that hope was shattered about 8 years ago. I am currently on disability work at a menial job and I live with my partner. But I want to accomplish my dream of being successful and helping people my main area of interest is holistic and naturalpathic medicine. Right now I think I’m at rock bottom in life in every area of my life except for my job. I am certain I have schizophrenia and depression, because I have delusional thinking followed by paranoia. I want to be able to love people unconditionally, to have sex and feel pleasure, to walk down the street and not have to worry what others are thinking about me, to not have to hide the fact that I have schizophrenia every time I meet someone new. And so much more hopes and dreams. I am interested in this topic of how people have been cured and live normal happy lives. Is there anyway you can help me to be cured?

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By: Paul /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-729065 Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:06:49 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-729065 This comment represents why psychological interventions into the area of schizophrenia can be unhelpful. Ironically it’s not too disimulat to saying people who suffer severe mental illness are self absorbed and need to pull themselves together. Words like ‘Judgemental’ become part of the new dogma. It can be self congratually and self assuring to utter such words but can serve to heap guilt onto the patients. This kind of thinking sits well in the world of religion and dogma but should not be entertained in psychology.

People with severe mental illness want to be able to function functionality should be the goal.

P.s the problem is that many psychological concepts have a basis but once they are verbalised or articulated they can become dogmatic.

An example is I’d prefer to use ‘non assumptive’ rather than non judgemental. But now that my word is out their , it follows that compulsively thinking people will be thinking in order to get better I must be non assumptive. In the real world though we all make assumptions , indeed we all make judgements , its called having an opinion.

Separating ones self from realities of social discourse, ironically, will engender , a more judgemental , stilted , irrational attitude. e.g I am behaving in such a way but persons a , b and c is doing the opposite. People who behave in such way become desensitized to personality and its quaint , uniqueness.

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By: Tackling Schizophrenia Using the Eriksonian Stages | Brain Blogger /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-727449 Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:30:12 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-727449 […] to achieve a positive result for two stages in particular may contribute to the condition of schizophrenia in […]

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By: Three years of autism/schizophrenia research destroyed by - Page 2 - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-727435 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:25:30 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-727435 […] that schizophrenia and other related psychotic disorders are the result of a diseased brain." Is Schizophrenia Really a Brain Disease? | Brain Blogger __________________ Remember, remember, the 11th of september The Gunpowder Treason and plot; I […]

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By: Antipsychotic side effects and level of psychosis /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-723883 Thu, 07 Feb 2013 06:03:34 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-723883 […] part of the question suggests acceptance of the brain disease model of schizophrenia. I'd argue Schizophrenia is not a brain disease and that no-ones body needs them, even though some people's emotional lives may benefit from them […]

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By: La fascinante relación entre las enfermedades mentales, la creatividad y el chamanismo :: MedellinStyle.com /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-722428 Wed, 02 Jan 2013 22:27:13 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-722428 […] Pero de entrada esa supuesta enfermedad mental en muchos casos no existía –incluso actualmente se pone en duda que la esquizofrenia sea una enfermedad mental, ya que no presenta necesariamente degeneración cerebral. La seguridad, el reforzamiento de la […]

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By: Bert Gold, Ph.D., FACMG /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-722111 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:49:33 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-722111 With respect, my opinion is that you are not very scholarly in your approach to this very complicated disorder (which is probably a catchment for many different disorders). You are apparently not familiar with this important anecdotal story: http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1656592,00.html Nor, have you carefully read one of the most famous books on the topic, “Is there no place on earth for me?” by Susan Sheehan. I will not delve into my credentials or experience, but let’s just say we disagree and that it is IS possible that I have studied the issues longer and a lot deeper than you have.

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By: semillakosmica /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-720526 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:10:59 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-720526 […] Pero de entrada esa supuesta enfermedad mental en muchos casos no existía –incluso actualmente se pone en duda que la esquizofrenia sea una enfermedad mental, ya que no presenta necesariamente degeneración cerebral. La seguridad, el reforzamiento de la […]

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By: Un hilo dorado en el abismo | Los Sueños de Piedra /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-718599 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 03:01:41 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-718599 […] Pero de entrada esa supuesta enfermedad mental en muchos casos no existía –incluso actualmente se pone en duda que la esquizofrenia sea una enfermedad mental, ya que no presenta necesariamente degeneración cerebral. La seguridad, el reforzamiento de la […]

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By: ¿LOCO? ¿GENIO? ¿ARTISTA? ¿CHAMÁN? Según y cuando, según y dónde | EL LAMENTO NO VIENE A CUENTO ni trae cuenta /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-718170 Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:55:55 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-718170 […] Pero de entrada esa supuesta enfermedad mental en muchos casos no existía –incluso actualmente se pone en duda que la esquizofrenia sea una enfermedad mental, ya que no presenta necesariamente degeneración cerebral. La seguridad, el reforzamiento de la […]

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By: Un hilo dorado en el abismo: la fascinante relación entre las enfermedades mentales, la creatividad y el chamanismo « Creer para Crear /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-718155 Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:08:18 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-718155 […] Pero de entrada esa supuesta enfermedad mental en muchos casos no existía –incluso actualmente se pone en duda que la esquizofrenia sea una enfermedad mental, ya que no presenta necesariamente degeneración cerebral. La seguridad, el reforzamiento de la […]

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By: SchizLife /2012/06/23/is-schizophrenia-really-a-brain-disease/#comment-718097 Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:48:28 +0000 /?p=12737#comment-718097 Thanks for this article. I read a lot by guys like Stanislav Grof, John Weir Perry, Ken Wilber, and the like. They place a lot of emphasis on the spiritual aspects to this illness, very much in a shamanic light. Supposedly, if allowed to progress in a supportive atmosphere without medicine, the individual is likely to work through the illness and restructure his cognitive framework, becoming a much more mature and capable person. There is much to be learned still concerning schizophrenia, for sure.

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